[Education and Welfare] Fw: [Missouri-l]{Disarmed}Support Accessible Swimming Pools!

Tue Mar 20 11:05:40 CDT 2012

Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M. Keller" <mhkeller65 at att.net>
To: "Education and Welfare" <ew at moblind.org>; <DHuff at MoBlind.Org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare]Fw: [Missouri-l]{Disarmed}Support 
Accessible Swimming Pools!


> Hello All,
>
> Below is the web site for pool regs.
>
>
> http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm
>
> Michael Keller
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elton Thomas" <ethomas at lhbindustries.com>
> To: "Education and Welfare" <ew at moblind.org>; <DHuff at MoBlind.Org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare]Fw: [Missouri-l]{Disarmed}Support 
> Accessible Swimming Pools!
>
>
>> Somehow I missed these key points about accessible pools posted earlier 
>> so I'll post them again for all to see.
>>
>> There are a number of reasons why postponing implementation would be bad 
>> for people with disabilities, including:
>> * People with disabilities should have the same access to recreational 
>> and exercise opportunities as everyone else.
>> * Backtracking on the ADA is never acceptable.
>> * The requirements of the ADA should not be postponed for one particular 
>> type of accommodation.  It sets a bad precedent.
>> * The ADA was signed into law 22 years ago.  Swimming pool owners have 
>> had decades to come into compliance.
>> * The Title III regulations have been going through the regulatory 
>> process since 2004.
>> * The final regulation language and the accessibility standards have been 
>> out since September 2010, so the pool owners have had 18 months to comply 
>> with those specific standards.
>> * The regulations are subject to an "undue burden" defense, so any hotel 
>> or pool owner that cannot afford to come into compliance need not do so 
>> immediately.
>>
>>
>> Elton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ew-bounces at moblind.org [mailto:ew-bounces at moblind.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Anne Murphy
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:55 AM
>> To: DHuff at MoBlind.Org; Education and Welfare
>> Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare] Fw: [Missouri-l]{Disarmed}Support 
>> Accessible Swimming Pools!
>>
>> Thanks, Denny and Rick.  I totally agree.
>> Having a family member in a whelchair  brings this even closer.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Denny Huff" <dhuff at moblind.org>
>> To: "'Education and Welfare'" <ew at moblind.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare] Fw: [Missouri-l]{Disarmed}Support
>> Accessible Swimming Pools!
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Rick for your post here.  Let me take this a step farther by 
>>> saying
>>> that our personal opinion doesn't really matter on issues such as this.
>>>
>>> However much we might disagree with this issue, just remember that we 
>>> all
>>> are in this together.  We want other disability groups to support the
>>> causes
>>> for the blind and in turn, we need to support their causes also.  A
>>> perfect
>>> example is the Medicaid elimination facing the blind at this very time.
>>> We
>>> are getting support from other disabilities groups even though they 
>>> really
>>> aren't directly affected.  The swimming pool access for the wheelchair
>>> bound
>>> people may not affect us directly, but it does affect the ADA of 1989. 
>>> If
>>> they get by with not enforcing one part of the ADA, then what is next?
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that these are not ramps that are to be built but
>>> rather a lift that will allow a person in a wheelchair to be lifted out 
>>> of
>>> their chair and then lowered into the water.  As Rick pointed out, they
>>> have
>>> 22 years to comply and continually putting off enactment of this law 
>>> only
>>> hurts all of the disability groups.
>>>
>>> If we expect other disability groups to support us then we need to 
>>> support
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>> Denny Huff - President
>>> Missouri Council of the Blind
>>>
>>> P: (636) 262-1383
>>> TF: (888) 362-1383
>>> F: (314) 558-0298
>>>
>>> DHuff at MoBlind.Org
>>> www.moblind.org
>>>
>>> ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THE JOURNEY
>>> Your host: Denny Huff
>>> Listen live,
>>> SUNDAY MORNINGS AT 8:00 AM CST
>>> WWW.KLPW.COM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ew-bounces at moblind.org [mailto:ew-bounces at moblind.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Rick Burch
>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:43 PM
>>> To: 'Education and Welfare'
>>> Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare] Fw: [Missouri-l] {Disarmed}Support
>>> Accessible Swimming Pools!
>>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> The last I heard, the Americans with Disabilities Act was, and has been,
>>> law
>>> for over twenty years.  And, if in twenty years, small and mid-sized
>>> businesses have not made their facilities accessible to people with
>>> disabilities, then I think somebody needs to hold their feet to the 
>>> fire.
>>> Of course, I guess we could throw out all the laws that benefit disabled
>>> people.  In our case, that would be like the Wagner O'Day Act and the
>>> Randolph-Shepard Act.  There are certainly things with both of them that
>>> private business would love to see come open for bid.
>>>
>>> Oh, well.
>>>
>>> Rick Burch
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ew-bounces at moblind.org [mailto:ew-bounces at moblind.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Elton Thomas
>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:07 AM
>>> To: Education and Welfare
>>> Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare] Fw: [Missouri-l] {Disarmed}Support
>>> Accessible Swimming Pools!
>>>
>>> David, I do agree with you on your point. Local communities know better 
>>> on
>>> what their facilities may or may not need. If the Federal Government 
>>> make
>>> all hotels spend thousands of dollars plus time lost for the facilities 
>>> to
>>> put in these ramps it would be extremely counterproductive because many
>>> hotels may not need or ever use them.
>>>
>>> It should be up to the local government to decide or better yet I bet if 
>>> a
>>> hotel got a lot of feedback from customers they would gladly spend the
>>> money
>>> to make any changes needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elton
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ew-bounces at moblind.org [mailto:ew-bounces at moblind.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> David Rosenkoetter
>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:34 AM
>>> To: Education and Welfare
>>> Subject: Re: [Education and Welfare] Fw: [Missouri-l] {Disarmed}Support
>>> Accessible Swimming Pools!
>>>
>>> That's true. However, for the government to require a hotel to shut down
>>> their facilities because they don't have the funding to implement these
>>> adaptations is counterproductive. I'd rather see the STates handle the
>>> practicalities of implementing adaptations for folks who are disabled.
>>> Some
>>> months ago, the White House refused to appropriate federal funds to
>>> several
>>> cities whose light rail boarding facilities missed FEderal regulations 
>>> by
>>> a
>>> few inches in height required for passage.
>>>
>>> Who better than the local community or small business knows better how 
>>> to
>>> service its clintele? I'm all for adaptations bigtime. But, for the
>>> Federal
>>> government to step in and  take this all or nothing approach with regard
>>> to
>>> hotel's swimming facilities pushes past the edge of what all citizens
>>> should
>>> permit.
>>>
>>> I believe, if given the chance, small and midsize businesses are really 
>>> in
>>> our corner. They just don't want the Fed telling them what to do and how
>>> to
>>> spend money that they don't have. I side with Rep.
>>> Hartzler to the letter on this one.
>>> David Rosenkoetter
>>> Kansas City, MO
>>>
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